Idaho’s Prop 1 Abortion Fight & the Economics of Prices

Bob Neugebauer Welcome to the Idaho Pulse, everyone. This is your host, Tea Party. Bob here to inform you on just what things are happening in our state and that you may not know about or be aware of. And today we are joined by our good friend Ron Nate, president of the Idaho Freedom Foundation, to enlighten us on what he sees happening in this great state that we live in. So without further ado or delay, let me introduce Ron Nate, and let’s get on with the show. Welcome again, Ron, to the Idaho Pulse.

Ron Nate Always a pleasure to be on the Idaho Pulse. I had a great week last week talking with a lot of other if type organizations across the country. We we had a conference. And so I got to visit with the Pelican Institute in Louisiana, the Palmetto Promise in South Carolina, uh, James Madison Institute of Florida. So great discussions. And it’s the same battles going on in Idaho going, going on all across the country. Flock cameras pushes for, uh, a liberation, whatever that is. Um, all sorts of all sorts of issues, data centers, issues that are going on in Idaho going on in all of these states. And so we’re having the same battles. The good news for Idaho is we are equipped better to, to attack these situations than a lot of other states are. We have groups like the Idaho Pulse, we have Idaho Freedom Foundation. We have a larger number of conservatives in our legislature, not eighty five percent, like the numbers of parties tell you, but we have a greater proportion of conservatives than other states do. Um, we do have more conservative constituency in terms of the people across the state. We just need to make sure they’re informed and activated and holding their leaders accountable. We’ve got this.

Bob Neugebauer Uh, question for you. You say we have more conservatives. I’d like to think after I saw what happened, uh, in the race between Cruz and Trump when we had primaries, that we have a lot more liberals than we have conservatives.

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Ron Nate Oh, that’s a big difference, Bob.

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Bob Neugebauer Well, you know, that’s what happens when you get old like me. You forget

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Ron Nate Alright. And so you’re right that, uh. Yeah, I Idaho spoke differently than a lot of the rest of the states. And that, that goes to my point that we do have a very conservative slash libertarian bent. You know, we want government out of our lives. Let us exercise our rights. Let us, uh, um, honor the Constitution, which protects those God given rights. And so Idaho thinks differently than a lot of other states. I’m glad.

Bob Neugebauer Well, I think you’re right about that. And excuse my, uh, slip of the tongue, so to speak. Liberal. I I’ve got a wife upstairs who’s very liberal. So, uh, that’s that’s why it sticks in my mind all the time.

Ron Nate I’m not going there. You have a you have a very lovely, nice wife. So.

Bob Neugebauer Oh, she’s a sweetheart, let me tell

Ron Nate Okay.

Bob Neugebauer you. Well, let let let let let me hear a little bit about what’s going on with you guys, uh, and what you got for us this week.

Ron Nate Okay. Uh, there’s one issue I want to talk about before we get to my economics one hundred and one. And that is, uh, and you’re going to hear this again and again for another six or seven weeks, unfortunately, Bob, but at prop one in Idaho is, is huge. And it’s huge for us as a moral society and as as a God fearing country, a Christian nation, a Christian state that, uh, if we can’t honor the most fundamental right, and that is the right to life in Idaho, then then what are we doing? What are we doing? Are all other rights end up on the, on the auction block as well, don’t they?

Bob Neugebauer Well, if you don’t have a right to life. Uh, think about what happened in the Soviet Union. Think about what’s happening in China with the Uyghurs. Uh, think about what’s happening around the world nowadays. Uh, when you see the Iranians killing their own people because they don’t like what they’re thinking.

Ron Nate Yes. And so I want to say this, that I think sometimes we get complacent in Idaho saying, oh, it’s a pro-life state. There’s no way this proposition is going to pass. Well, it will pass if we are complacent, because here’s what I see on the the pro-abortion side, the ones who want to kill babies or allow the killing of babies. Um, I have I have three daughters and one son. I have three daughters and one of my daughters. None of them live with us anymore. But I got in the mail, uh, a piece of mail from the Idaho Democrat Party that, uh, addressed to my daughter that is giving her a registration form to register to vote out of the blue. Now, this isn’t this isn’t them just saying, hey, we want to increase the vote. This is them targeting twenty something white women to register them to vote. And why do you think that those that age group, that sex, uh, are being targeted in Idaho, it’s prop one. They they are doing the work. These these anti-life people are doing the work. They are sending out registration information to register the key constituency, the key demographic that they’re targeting to try and pass proposition one. Young, single, white women is what they’re after. And so they give them registration information. And then, you know, if they register, it’s it’s going to be followed up with all the prop one propaganda that goes to them. Are our conservatives doing equal and likewise and equal and opposite? I haven’t seen it. I’ve also seen video ads when I watch YouTube or even TV, video ads of this ad campaign of, of these, um, sob stories about couples who weren’t able to abort their babies in Idaho very easily. So they had to go to Utah or somewhere else. And it’s disgusting to me, but I can see how it tugs at the heartstrings of young liberal women who are who want to have the ability to make all the decisions they want and have zero consequences for it. And so the video campaign is out there. Even more disgusting than that is what’s going on with this Lindsay Clancy trial. Do you want to talk about that?

Bob Neugebauer Well, you know, when it gets down to something like that, you bring so many different aspects into something like this. And you, you start off with the drugs, you start off with the psychology, you start off with the medical. I mean, there’s so much involved here. We don’t know what was in this lady’s mind. I never I could never figure that out. Uh, for anybody who would do any kind of damage to their children. But by the same token, evidently it’s there. But when I do look at the fort, fourteen percent of Americans who are on SIDs, that is where the question lies for me. Are the drugs the real problem? Have they created more problems and will we have more problems in the future because of them?

Ron Nate Yeah, well, I’m not informed enough to know about how drugs have affected us, but as a society, it seems like, uh, any ailment you have, or even non ailment, any discomfort you have, any angst, you have fix it with a pill. I don’t think that’s good for a society. Probably not good for individuals. And I think in the, in the justice system to the, the, uh, the insanity defense is problematic because almost by definition, when you do something that is outside the norm, that becomes, you know, a psychotic episode, right? That when you’re not doing what normal people do, then that is by definition abnormal, psychologically speaking. And so yes, what normal person, what sane person kills their three children? Um. Yeah. Um, but does that mean she’s not responsible? Heck no. Absolutely responsible. That, uh, those three children are no longer on this earth, and they won’t get to live their lives and go on like normal because their mom killed them. And so what kind of a society do we want to live in? Do we want to live in a society where mom or dad can decide that the that the kids are too much of an inconvenience, therefore they ought to be killed. And I am not letting slip by this comparison here of how close it comes to being the abortion argument that abortion up to birth. If a baby is going to be inconvenient in your marriage or your life or your career plans, is it now okay to kill the baby through because of inconvenience?

Bob Neugebauer Well, you know, I have to go back to something I was talking about last week, and it has to do with the platforms for social media and how they affect our kids nowadays, how they affect everybody, and the fact that they pump out all of this garbage and, you know, trash in, trash out, as I always say. And the stuff that’s coming out of in fact, I’ve gotten off all of my social media platforms. I want nothing to do with them because I see what’s happening to the kids. I see how it’s affecting them. And that’s where the danger lies. Yes, we have a problem right now that’s critical, but can you imagine if they perpetuate these thoughts and ideas into the future for the younger generations? What will happen? We already can’t reproduce enough people to do the jobs that we have here in America. Now, where are they going to come from?

Ron Nate Uh, if you’re not growing a country through reproduction, the only alternative is immigration.

Bob Neugebauer Exactly.

Ron Nate Um, but I don’t even know if it should be a goal for your country to grow. I don’t I don’t know about that, but I want to live in a country that honors family and good Christian values. And so we ought to respect family in, in, in all of its aspects. And that is child rearing, raising good kids, uh, encouraging, uh, two parent families because that has been proven to be the best structure overall for raising good, well-adjusted kids.

Bob Neugebauer Where do you get some of the structure from? Because I know I was taught it, uh, in, in church and

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Bob Neugebauer point being, point being today that we have, as we have a little, a few more people going back to church on a regular basis, we still have a massive amount who just totally ignore going to church except for Christmas and Easter. Outside of that, you know, it’s a parking lot.

Ron Nate Mhm.

Bob Neugebauer And that disturbs me more than anything. Because when was the last time you saw something on social media that had to do with Christ?

Ron Nate Uh. Right. Exactly. Um, I’m watching this Lindsay Clancy trial because I want to be versed in it. I want to be able to know the facts of the case when, when I talk about it. And in watching it, you know, of course I’m watching it through YouTube, you know, kind of, uh, you know, after the fact. But all the ads that are coming up are these Idaho abortion story things, pro prop one ads. And I’m going, how disgusting is that? That as I’m trying to get informed on this trial of a woman who killed her three perfect children, that, uh, it’s interrupted by ads saying that, uh, we ought to allow abortion on demand in Idaho without parental notification, without even a doctor changing the definition of viability. So it could be done up to the point of birth. This radical abortion initiative is being promoted exactly during the viewing of the trial where, uh, where the the attorney is trying to claim that it’s okay for a mom to kill their children if she’s having a tough time.

Bob Neugebauer I have to ask you, where is the resistance? Where is the money from these people who do not want abortion here in Idaho? Where is the resistance? Where is the money coming from? It’s not flowing, not like it is with the abortionists.

Ron Nate That’s right.

Bob Neugebauer So how do you how do you stop it?

Ron Nate Well, um, you stop it with good people doing good things. And so the grassroots, you know, we’re not well funded like a Planned Parenthood. And, uh, Warren Buffett and George Soros will well fund the, the leftist perspectives. Conservatives, on the other hand, are more like rugged individualists, feral kids, you know, that, that, uh, we we act more individualistically. Well, let’s turn that individualism into a force for good that all of us acting as individuals in the right way can get the right outcome here. Everyone who values life values, constitutionally protected rights that come from God. We ought to be voting to protect the fundamentals of life. And so all of us individually need to go and vote the right way and and abort the proposition.

Bob Neugebauer You said something very important. Vote the right way.

Ron Nate Mhm.

Bob Neugebauer Most people, most people. And I find this to be, uh, true right here in my my own hometown where I live. Um, don’t even know what’s going on. They you go around the city of or the, the town of New Meadows and ask somebody, do you know what proposition one is? I bet you a dime to a donut that only one in ten would be able to tell you.

Ron Nate Yeah, well, uh, Idaho is at a crossroads. We’re either going to choose the protection of life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness and and constitutional things, or we’re going to go down as one of these other red states who who voted to allow abortion. And that’s, uh, that’s not the kind of state we should be. We should be the beacon of freedom and protecting life. And, uh, I call on all my fellow Idahoans to get out there and vote the right way on this and protect life.

Bob Neugebauer Well, it’s not acceptable to me. And the problem is getting the people out to vote. You know what kind of a year this is? This is not a presidential election year. You know, people aren’t going to go out in droves that they did when somebody like Trump is running. So I, I only hope and pray that they get the message and understand that this is an important vote and they need to get to the polls. Of.

Ron Nate Yeah, it’s one of the most consequential ones. And it will really be an indicator of where Idaho is headed if it’s close. That’s a bad sign for Idaho. I mean, I don’t think prop one will pass, but if it’s close that, uh, we have some work to do and some, some, uh, self-reflection to do here. This thing ought to not even be close. It ought to not even be an issue in Idaho because people should just go, oh, yeah, we can’t spend money on that in Idaho because they’ll never go for it. Well, let’s send that signal. Um, you know, uh, we started about a year ago, something called First Friday Falcon calls here at if where, where the supporters of Idaho Freedom Foundation, we get together on the first Friday of every month, and we have a phone call. And I can give them a rundown of what’s going on at if what’s going on in state legislature and across the state. And so this week, on the first Friday Falcon call, we have Sarah Johnson, who is running the Stop the Prop campaign in Idaho. She’s going to give us a a review of the state of the campaign, what’s going on, the state of the legislation in Idaho and what people can do to get engaged. And so I, I, I ask all your listeners to get engaged with Idaho Freedom Foundation, be become a partner at Idaho Freedom Foundation. You can get on this first Friday Falcon call at ten a m and, and, uh, yeah, just go to Idaho freedom dot org and, and, uh, you know, become a contributor.

Bob Neugebauer I’ll tell you, we are starting to reach a wider audience because when I went to a a board meeting yesterday for our homeowners here, there were three people who actually said, gee, that was a great podcast. You guys did. I said, you heard it. Well, yeah. And I read the Gem State Patriot. I said, you read it. Holy

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Ron Nate awesome.

Bob Neugebauer I didn’t figure I had that kind of a group up here. Evidently, we got a lot of conservatives in this area.

Ron Nate Yeah, we do and we should, you know, Idaho should be that that oasis where, where the conservatives escaping California, Oregon, Washington, Colorado can come and, uh, and, and feel secure in their rights and, and, uh, commune with others who feel the same way about the, the right to defend themselves, the right to protect life.

Bob Neugebauer Well, we’re just a couple of Johnny Appleseeds trying to plant a lot more trees. Trees of freedom. Not necessarily apples.

Ron Nate Yeah. Sometimes the tree of freedom needs to be watered with the blood of tyrants. Right?

Bob Neugebauer Exactly.

Ron Nate Okay, there we go. Hey, you want to learn a little economics today?

Bob Neugebauer Well, sure. Why not? I mean, refresh me on my one hundred and one, please.

Ron Nate Okay. Well, today I want to talk a little bit about consumer theory. And this is how consumers make decisions about buying goods and services. Obviously, people by their nature, want to do things that make themselves better off, not worse off. That is rational self-interest simply stated that you you pursue those activities where the benefits outweigh the costs, and you avoid those activities where the costs outweigh the benefits. And so when you make a consumer decision, you are buying a good or a service at a price where you valued the good or service at a greater value than the price you have to pay for it. That’s what makes you better off as a person and the person selling it. Person or business. Selling it to you values your money more than the cost of providing the good or service. And so they’re better off. Exchange creates value. Both parties benefit. But I want to point something out here about how consumers make decisions. When I decide to when I when I’m contemplating buying a good or service, I’m comparing how valuable it is to me. And in economics, we use these boring terms like utility. And by utility we mean how much benefit the consumer gets from consuming that good or service. We measure it in a concept we call utility, and we offset that with the price we have to pay. So we’re always doing this across goods and services. How much utility do I get versus how much does it cost me to get it? What price do I have to pay for it? And the things that give us more utility relative to the price of than other goods do, those are the goods we buy goods. Some goods don’t give us enough utility to offset the price at all, and so those won’t even be in our decision making matrix. Some goods give us more utility than the price, but we need to compare that to other goods. So it’s not simply does does it provide more good than the price we pay? Well, that’s a minimal expectation. It has to provide more good, more utility to us than the price we pay as compared to other goods in that ratio. And so whenever a price goes up, and this is what we have going on in, in America right now, when prices go up, it makes those decisions harder because prices don’t go up uniformly across the board. When we put a tariff on some goods, the goods that are imported, their prices go up disproportionately compared to other goods. When the Federal Reserve increases the money supply and there’s general inflation, well, some prices go up quicker than others. Prices of services tend to go up quicker because those are provided more real time prices of manufactured or agricultural goods go up later because those are produced using resources from the past to produce the goods now. And so um, prices and inflation are very distortionary to decision making. And so in economics, we look at the income effect. When prices go up, you have less money to spend on goods and services. So you might might, might buy less of a lot of goods and services. But there’s also the substitution effect when prices go up, the goods that you’re considering buying whose prices have gone up are now relatively less attractive than other goods whose prices hasn’t changed. So the substitution effect of a price change is people shifting amongst different goods and services. And we track that as as economists, whenever there’s inflation, it makes both of those things happen. Consumers are worse off because they have less real income to spend, and they’re also worse off because they have to shuffle between different goods and services compared to what they were buying before.

Bob Neugebauer Let me give you a perfect example. I have a storage unit.

Ron Nate Mhm.

Bob Neugebauer The price of that storage unit a year ago was one hundred and ten dollars a month. They have been taken over twice. Price went from one hundred and ten to one hundred and forty.

Ron Nate Yep.

Bob Neugebauer Well, I’m getting close to the point where I want to say I really can’t afford that anymore. Now another company took over. It’s now one hundred and seventy nine dollars. So what do I do? I empty out the storage unit. I bring the things either home or sell them, or take them to the trash bin and get rid of it all together. So I’ve made a decision that’s too costly for me.

Ron Nate Yep. Yep. And, you know, consumers are making decisions like this all the time. And markets being manipulated, being impacted by regulations, being subjected to, uh, cavalier decisions by an executive. Should, I should say, uh, distort markets. And as an Austrian economist, the distortion of markets and market prices impose a cost in and of themselves. Even if your income went up proportional to price increases, the inflation distorts markets because not every market is affected the same way.

Bob Neugebauer Well, just take a look at what’s happened in the drug industry where

Ron Nate Yeah.

Bob Neugebauer we had had drugs that are costing six. We’re costing six hundred dollars for one unit. Okay.

Ron Nate Yeah.

Bob Neugebauer That’s because they could charge that much. Now, all of a sudden Trump has Trump R x and he says, you can’t charge that much. You need to charge the lowest price for favored nation status. And all of a sudden people are actually able to take their drugs again, that they were that they were on that they couldn’t afford to take before.

Ron Nate Well, you know, it sounds like a good policy at first, but I’ll tell you what prices are rationing devices. And if you try and control the price, there’s another way to ration. And that is quantity. And, uh, and so when Nixon tried to freeze the price on energy, how did that work out for us? We didn’t have lines at gas stations before the freeze, but as soon as the freeze happened, the flow of gasoline stopped because it wasn’t worth it anymore. To the producers.

Bob Neugebauer Well, that’s why the flow of drug stops for the older people, because it wasn’t worth it for them anymore to buy them.

Ron Nate That’s right. Um, so, uh, one last thing. Well, two last things. I’ll finish up on this consumer choice theory. Um, the diamond water paradox. Now, which is more essential for life, diamonds, luxury diamonds or water. And I think the answer is obvious, right? We all need water. Water is absolutely essential. If you don’t have water within a few days, you’re croaking. You’re dead.

Bob Neugebauer Three days.

Ron Nate So why is water so cheap compared to diamonds?

Bob Neugebauer Abundance.

Ron Nate That’s right. It’s a simple relative abundance thing. So supply and demand, which we talked about a few shows ago, is the same thing. That water is relatively abundant compared to diamonds. Therefore its price is a lot lower than diamonds even though it’s a necessity. So you can’t just look at something and say, oh, it’s absolutely necessary for life. It should cost more. No, it’s it’s the amount available relative to the amount needed. And the good news is, is that God has blessed us with a planet that is seventy percent water, right? Blessed us with a planet that is abundant in water. I know the sea water thing, but blah blah blah in terms of fresh water too, that is relatively abundant compared to people’s needs. Are there are there choke points? Yes. Burkina Faso has water problems and so they have to walk miles to the well or whatever. And so water is more expensive in those situations. But you know, this consumer choice theory, you can’t just you can’t just, uh, look at whether something’s needed or something is frivolous or whatever. The the price doesn’t indicate the value to humans. It indicates the relative scarcity of something compared to human wants.

Bob Neugebauer So what do you do with monopolies like the Electric company?

Ron Nate Um. You picked electric company. It is one of these government sanctioned monopolies. And here’s why. It’s what we call an economics and natural monopoly. And it’s natural in the sense that there are some types of goods and services where it is more efficient to have one provider than to have several competing providers. And here’s why. Because electricity has to be transmitted to us. Would it be better to have three electric companies with three sets of wires going through town and three small electrical plants, or one mass produced electrical plant with one set of wires and cables going through town. Well, the natural monopoly argument says it’s more efficient in this case to have one big provider than several small providers. And so as a monopoly, though, government lets that monopoly exist, actually sanctions it, but also regulates it and says, you know what? If your electric company, you want to raise prices, you’ve got to come and justify it to us. You’ve

Bob Neugebauer All right,

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Bob Neugebauer let’s tie the electric to the water. Okay,

Ron Nate Yes.

Bob Neugebauer Idaho, sixty percent of our electric come from water supply.

Ron Nate Mhm.

Bob Neugebauer Okay. Is that correct?

Ron Nate I, I’m not sure on those percentages. I’ll

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Bob Neugebauer So in any case, um, we have no control over the water yet. The electric company says we have a low water year. So they’re going to raise our rates. Now where does that come from? Because I have never seen them lower rates when we have a high water year.

Ron Nate Well, you know, wind energy, solar energy, way more expensive than hydro energy. And all of those are more expensive than nuclear energy. Uh, this is this is the painful part about the oligopoly or natural monopoly structure of utility markets is they’re very slow to respond because they don’t face the pressure of competition like other industries do. And so we are always kind of beating our head against a dead horse, trying to get the legislature or the state to move in the direction of more efficiency. When you have the big power brokers, excuse the pun, they’re, uh, of, of energy Providers who who like the status quo, where they’re living like fat cats. We need to liberate the nuclear energy market and, uh, and, and, uh, start producing nuclear and save ourselves a lot of money and a lot of headaches whenever it’s a dry year versus a wet year, a cloudy year versus a non cloudy year, a windy year versus a non windy, windy year.

Bob Neugebauer I don’t disagree with you. But again, you run into the same difficult problem of where do you store the waste?

Ron Nate Shoot it into space. It’s not that much.

Bob Neugebauer Okay, that seems like an interesting solution. It. How much do you think it cost us to shoot this telescope into space?

Ron Nate By the way, there is a lot of advancing technologies on taking nuclear waste and purposing that for getting every ounce of energy out of it in small modular reactors or small smaller nuclear settings, where you do have firms that have found positive uses for even the nuclear power waste.

Bob Neugebauer Well, I only brought this up because we are being asked once again by the federal government to be one of three states that becomes the repository nationally for one third of the nuclear waste that’s produced.

Ron Nate Yeah. I say if you’re going to pay us a lot to keep it, let’s keep it. Let’s do it.

Bob Neugebauer Let’s see how much they’ll pay us first. I’m a pay first pay guy.

Ron Nate That’s right. We’re not going to be an easy mark here. But anyway, that’s, that’s my little glimpse into utility theory in markets. Again, I would encourage folks to, to, and to get educated a little bit more on economics. Um, you know, I, I love my, my profession here in, in teaching economics. It is fascinating that what so many people has taken to be true or believed to be true about economics is so much more different. When you study it a little bit, go out and get the book Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt. It’s a classic written about seventy or eighty years ago. It is a timeless classic here on just some fundamental economic principles. You read that book and you start thinking a different way. You think in terms of marginal analysis, in terms of of rational self-interest and people responding to incentives. It’s just a great way to approach these normal problems that we think of in politics that become so much more clear when you understand how people think about economics.

Bob Neugebauer Yeah, that’s a great idea. Get everybody to read the same book because unfortunately, we have many of our legislators who haven’t read the same book and they have different thinking processes, which is why a lot of them still think Keynesian theory is the only theory around.

Ron Nate Yeah,

Bob Neugebauer Um,

Ron Nate true. Even worse,

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Ron Nate if they haven’t read books, they’ve trusted their liberal professors and

Bob Neugebauer Correct.

Ron Nate the. By and large, the teaching of economics is becoming more and more a Marxist socialist ideology rather than reading the classics. Yeah. Go ahead, read Das Kapital. Read the Communist Manifesto, but also read The Wealth of Nations. Read, uh, read um, economics in one lesson. Read the Law by Bastiat, you know, so that read the Calculus of Consent by Buchanan, you know, so that you can understand some conservative perspectives, I would argue, some realer perspectives on how economies work and how people make decisions.

Bob Neugebauer You know, I still have my echo one hundred and one book from college. Do you think it’s worth anything?

Ron Nate Now.

Bob Neugebauer That’s what I figured.

Ron Nate Did you sign it? It’s even more worthless. Okay.

Bob Neugebauer Exactly.

Ron Nate Well, anyway, again, another great time being on Idaho Pulse. I, I hope that, uh, that people are getting something out of these econ lessons, but also to circle back, let’s, let’s not be complacent about this prop one. This is a crossroads for Idaho. We need to get this right or we’re going to be forever regretting our complacency and children will die.

Bob Neugebauer Well, no different than when something’s on the ballot and nobody wants it to pass, but nobody goes in to stop it.

Ron Nate That’s right. But let’s let’s be active on this. Let’s send a message to the rest of the country that Idaho is the beacon of life and liberty.

Bob Neugebauer Amen, brother.

Ron Nate Thank you Bob. Always a pleasure being on the pulse. You guys are great.

Bob Neugebauer Thank you, my friend. I hope you have a great week.

Ron Nate Thanks. You too.