Idaho Vaccine Exemptions, Hidden Spending & Micron Taxes

Bob Neugebauer Welcome once again to the Idaho Pulse. This is your host, Steve Bob. And again bringing you information about what is happening in our beautiful gem state. Our guest today is the one and only Ron Nate, president of the Idaho Freedom Foundation, here to discuss what is happening with vaccine exemptions and the reckless increased spending in Idaho’s budget, which appears to be out of control. So let’s get on with the show and introduce our guest, Ron. Nate. Welcome, Mr. Nate, to the Idaho Pulse.

Ron Nate Hey, great to be on Bob. Idaho pulse is always a highlight of my week. Uh, great things to talk about today. I actually have an econ one hundred and one lesson two on on the, the profit motive. Uh, it’s it’ll be pretty enlightening, I think.

Bob Neugebauer Well, anything you do is going to be enlightening because anything our politicians do is really unenlightening.

Ron Nate You make me laugh. Well, let’s start by talking about, uh, vaccine exemptions. Um, Idaho Freedom Foundation published an article this past week by one of our researchers, Sarah Clendenen. She’s been working in the health freedom, uh, area of policy for over a decade now. And so if you want to talk to an expert on what vaccination rates look like vaccination exemptions, dangers of vaccinations, purported benefits of vaccinations, she would be a key person to talk to. And in her report, she is reporting some of the data from the centers for Disease Control. And they released their vaccine exemption rates, uh, for across the country. Now, um, this this past year, Idaho, uh, well, last year Idaho passed its health freedom bill, which, which basically eliminated mandatory vaccinations for for Idahoans and adults. And we still have the vaccine exemptions, uh, for, for children, we need to tighten it up so that, uh, daycares do not have mandatory vaccinations either. There’s still a little bit of work to do, but I think if you look across the country, Idaho has the most, um, free vaccination, um, laws in the country. In other words, you can, you don’t have to prove some health reason for exempting your kids from a vaccination mandate to go to school. You can just say, I have a philosophical opposition to it. I have a religious opposition to it. You don’t have to vaccinate your kids to go to school. And, uh, because of that, Idaho leads the country. This report from the CDC, Idaho’s, uh, vaccination exemptions for kindergartners entering into kindergarten last year was seventeen and a half percent. So in other words, eighty two and a half percent of kids got vaccinated, but seventeen and a half percent, their parents exercised their exemption. And that

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Bob Neugebauer You’ll notice that there have been no complaints about, uh, the number of illegals that are in our school system, uh, that have not been vaccinated.

Ron Nate Oh that’s true. You know, so so cuts across those lines too, right. Um, the, the next closest state, remember Idaho is seventeen and a half percent exemption rate. Next closest state is Utah a neighboring state twelve point seven percent. So Idaho leads by far by a factor of forty percent higher, you know, uh, than, than the nearest state. And, um, you know what? Idaho isn’t falling off the map. The sky is not falling here. Uh, the kids aren’t croaking and dying, you know that. Uh, maybe the vaccination schedule. Maybe it started out as being some sort of a virtuous policy plan for kids. But we know that when big money gets involved, then everything must be vaccinated for things that aren’t even a danger anymore. And so it becomes a big money grind. And so, uh, exemption opportunities, the freedom to choose your health decisions and your kids, um, probably matter more now than ever before, especially when we saw what happened during Covid.

Bob Neugebauer You know, there has been a big uproar about the MMR vaccine and autistic rate for kids who have gotten it. Did you see the survey they did on the Amish? The Amish don’t get vaccines. They don’t have any autistic kids.

Ron Nate Okay. So what do you call him? Amish or Amish? It’s okay with me, but,

Bob Neugebauer Yes.

Ron Nate uh, yeah, it’s fascinating that you know that that is a religious exemption which applies in other states, too. I haven’t, uh, looked into Pennsylvania specifically, but that’s where a lot of Amish are located. And I bet they’re exercising their religious exemption and they’re, they’re not dying off, um, at higher rates. In fact, you know, their lifestyle probably means they’re a lot healthier, more healthy than the rest of the United States. So more power to them.

Bob Neugebauer Well, it just kind of tells me that science isn’t everything. You just have to look at the people who have not taken vaccines, and the simple fact that they are not any sicker or sick at all from some of the diseases that we see the vaccines are causing here and there.

Ron Nate Absolutely. And, uh, you know, this is the trend here is that Idaho is getting more exempted, not less. The year before, it was sixteen percent exemption rate now seventeen and a half percent exemption rate. And, uh, I, I, it shows that when people have the freedom to choose, they exercise that freedom. And, you know, I, the trust in government is not at an all time high. And so when government’s telling you to do something, people want to resist. And, uh, when we have a few good legislators in Idaho who are able to dial back some of these requirements, the people of Idaho respond by exercising their freedoms in the way they see fit. So it’s a good, good news.

Bob Neugebauer It’s been a battle going on here for a long time. It’s just like the natural paths when they try to get them relicensed and make it a little tougher for them. I remember going down to the state House and fighting for them. Um, in fact, I was talking with, uh, Doctor Karlfeldt. He just opened a seventeen thousand square foot clinic and, uh, It is changing. Slowly but surely. People are finally looking more at the natural side of medicine than they have in years.

Ron Nate Absolutely, absolutely. So we still have some work to do in Idaho on health, freedom. And, uh, Doctor Carl felt his wife, Misty, uh, just a great couple fighting this fight. And so let’s let Idaho continue to be the leader of, of freedom on, uh, on health issues. Uh, we have more work to do. There’s weather modification stuff, potential cloud seeding and, and, uh, opting out of, of certain mitigation programs and things. Uh, we have work to do in, in making sure that people have the freedom to choose whether or not to participate in, in these government. Great ideas, right? They always think it’s a great idea, but they’re thinking about the masses instead of individual freedoms.

Bob Neugebauer Well, how about all the great ideas for our state budget, which I assure you love to talk about.

Ron Nate Yeah. Well, um, our budget analyst specialist here, Brett Ferrugia, who comes from Hillsdale College. He is, uh, been digging into Idaho budgets now for a year and a half. And he’s excellent at the work he does. And, um, he’s pointing out that last year Idaho spent seventeen point six billion dollars for fiscal year twenty five. Well, four point six of that billion, four point six billion of that. So out of seventeen point six, four point six billion was spent, uh, in an area called continuous appropriations. Now again, this is where listeners eyes might glaze over, but I’ll try and explain it fairly simply. Continuous appropriations are monies that are spent every year without a reauthorization by the legislature. They’re continuous. They just keep happening every year without necessarily having legislative oversight. And in some areas that might make sense, just transfers from the. From the transportation, you know, from the gasoline tax fund to the Transportation Department. You know, those are that dedicated funds which happen that way. But what has been happening over the years is more and more things that don’t fit into that category that nicely are being included in that category. In fact, he points out that, you know, Bret points out that elective continuous spending, um, used to be kind of trivial that there was hardly any of it done. It was it was only in those, those areas which made sense. But now he’s identified eight hundred million of that four point six billion as potentially elective continuous spending. And Mr. Ferrugia is very good at pointing out that this includes some things that probably ought to have legislative oversight that don’t. Now, the permanent building fund. Shouldn’t legislators shouldn’t our elected officials decide whether we’re going to build new buildings with with two hundred and ninety million dollars, instead of just let it automatically be spent each year? The Luma statewide accounting transparency thing is forty point five million dollars a year without legislative oversight. The Transportation Department expansion projects four hundred and eighty five million. Uh, these are areas where legislature ought to have some say, but they don’t. Just five years ago, this elective continuous spending was about one hundred and eighteen million. Now it’s eight hundred and fifteen million, nearly a six hundred percent increase. More and more spending is happening without legislative oversight.

Bob Neugebauer Can I ask you one question? The budget is supposed to be about fourteen billion. Uh, how are they spending seventeen plus billion?

Ron Nate It’s some of this hidden spending, this continuous appropriation, some dedicated funds that don’t even go through the budgeting process. They just like, uh, fees in a department which are collected and spent by that department. And, uh, also some of the federal grants and transfers are counted as dedicated funds now instead of federal spending. And so that is how a state budget grows, uh, with, you know, outside the watchful eye of places like Idaho Freedom Foundation or even the, the legislators who are elected to be to have oversight over this, more and more of it is out of their purview.

Bob Neugebauer So I have to ask the question, how did they account for the fact that the budget has not just doubled in the last seven years, but it has more than doubled in the last seven years? But nobody is talking about it except you.

Ron Nate Well, uh, other, uh, other groups, other non-profits out there. They have, they have their hands in the pot a little bit, right? They want certain special interest legislation passed. They want certain funding coming from government. Um, Idaho Freedom Foundation is independent. We are not a special interest. We’re more like a, a general interest. We have the general interest of freedom for all Idahoans, families and businesses alike. And so we are not funded, uh, by a special interest that wants particular bill passed or particular, uh, tax break or particular spending project happening for them, uh, other special interests, other, other non-profits are special interests in that they want things like that. So yeah, there’s nobody else doing this budget oversight because a lot of other institutions, they want their budget growing. They want the state budget growing because they get a slice of that. We don’t. We

Bob Neugebauer So

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Ron Nate see taxes drop.

Bob Neugebauer So, so basically what you’re telling me is that there is what I would consider to be political corruption taking place under the guise of, can I have a little bit more money for my project?

Ron Nate Well, yeah, corruption is a strong word. And it does happen even in Idaho politics. Maybe more than we even realize. But also it is simply a special interest politics, which is well within the law. But I would argue is is not good for freedom loving and prosperity driven state. Because the more you have special interest getting money directed toward them, the less efficient it is, because now you have decisions being made based on special interests, political interests of the elected officials, and not the general interest of the Idaho, of the Idaho population and taxpayers.

Bob Neugebauer So whose interest is it beneficial to the fact that, uh, the schools, uh, Blue Shield or Blue Cross is going to be short by thirteen million dollars? And how do they expect to pay for that?

Ron Nate I don’t see how Blue Cross, Blue Shield Regents or anyone is going to be short on money. Money has been flooding into the health care industry health insurance industry in Idaho for the last six years. Covid on it. We’re talking to the tune of billions of dollars. Anyone claiming a shortfall is claiming. Uh, probably financial, probably malfeasance of some sort or another to be in that pickle.

Bob Neugebauer Well, that’s the teachers union that’s claiming this. Now they have a trust fund that.

Ron Nate Imagine that the teachers union is

Bob Neugebauer Yes.

Ron Nate claiming that education doesn’t have enough money.

Bob Neugebauer Yes.

Ron Nate Wow. Uh, uh, it’s another day that ends in a day. So there you go. That that’s the teachers union for you.

Bob Neugebauer I love you, Ron. Just keep going.

Ron Nate Well, um, you you are mentioning micron and you gave some tidbits of information. You want to share those with the listeners too. And

Bob Neugebauer Well,

Ron Nate I’ll add.

Bob Neugebauer it seems like, um, Mike Ron isn’t coming back because they love Idaho. It’s because they love money and tax breaks. And it appears that this new fifty billion dollars dollar facility, uh, which is going to have, I guess, another three to four five zero zero zero workers is going to be at the cost, essentially of the taxpayers of Idaho. And the reason I say that is because there is a piece of legislation passed back in, um, two thousand and eight. And this legislation was for a company that they wanted to come here to build a nuclear, uh, facility. Uh, I guess it was for recovery of nuclear fuel or whatever it might be. In any case, it was a billion dollars, supposedly a billion dollar project. But what the legislature did is they guaranteed that they would not pay any more than four. They would not pay tax on more than four hundred million of that facility if it was over a billion dollars. Well, they never built it. But of course, this little piece of legislation reared its ugly head as soon as micron was going to build here in Boise. So it seems like this huge billion dollar facility, I mean, multi multibillion dollar facility is only going to be charged for four hundred million of property taxes. And guess who’s going to pick up the difference for education, for roads, for public service, for water. Guess who’s going to pick up that bill.

Ron Nate Well, let me think about that because picking up the difference implies that that money belonged to government to begin with, and whatever tax break needs to be made up on other on the backs of other taxpayers. I would like to think of it this way. Is that tax breaks are often viewed as, oh, it’s a handout from government to the business. Well, it’s not really, it’s just saying we’re not going to take as much from the business as as the law would currently indicate. We’re going to give them a tax break. I say this, I say it does me no good to say, you know what. We need to make sure that they pay even more in taxes. I’m like I and you know I’m a low tax guy. I would just say that to the extent that micron is getting a tax break, whatever percentage that is, let’s just make sure that everyone else enjoys the same kind of tax breaks. Don’t let micron get a sweetheart deal without letting Ron Nate and Bob Neugebauer and Joe Schmo’s business down the street getting the same kind of a tax break. So if you’re going to give a tax break to one, give it to all. That’s all I say.

Bob Neugebauer Well, I’m not so concerned. Well, I am concerned about this tax break. But by the same token, we found out from one of our local legislators, a Senator Lenny, that the Micron Company has applied for over five hundred H-1b visas to, uh, bring people here to this country, foreigners to work. And who knows, maybe they’re going to be the supervisors that they don’t have to deal with, because if they leave the company, they have to leave the United States. Uh, and the fact that they’re going to get hired at much lower wages than we would hire Americans at. So I just want to know the benefits of this new micron plant are not going to be what everybody thought they were going to be. the taxpayers going to pay for the schools, the roads, the public, uh, the public buildings that have to be built. And we’re talking about, you know, seventeen thousand people coming in to not only build this plant, but another three to five thousand that are actually going to work there. This is

Ron Nate So

Bob Neugebauer not fair.

Ron Nate three to five zero zero zero new workers or new families or whatever. That’s growth. And that will bring with it, uh, infrastructure costs and everything like that. And that’s, that’s why taxes are commensurate with income. That’s, that’s because the higher incomes, the more incomes lead to the amount of government spending necessary to facilitate that growth. And I say we shouldn’t overdo it. We shouldn’t overtax, but we, we, we should expect for that growth to, uh, to come with the ability to facilitate that growth too. So, um, yeah, and it is disturbing to see that, uh, I haven’t read that report, but if indeed they are relying on a lot of foreign work to do that, I, I just don’t understand that I think we have a lot of workers in America who are ready to do some working. We don’t have to import the labor resource, so to speak, because we have a lot of Americans to do work. And so, um, I understand the motivation for saving a buck, but maybe that’s a, a piece of immigration reform we ought to look at, um, that when you’re approving new businesses, new building permits, new business permits and certain tax breaks that it shouldn’t, uh, also accompany an influx of foreign workers when we have American workers to do that work.

Bob Neugebauer Well, I think also the fact that these guys are going to be getting this huge tax break. You take a look at what’s going on in Boise. Meridian Um, Eagle. All of these cities, including Napa, they’re all getting tax increases and most

Ron Nate Yeah.

Bob Neugebauer of them are at the max.

Ron Nate Mhm. See, again, I have no problem with the tax break. Let’s just make sure everyone gets an equal and commensurate tax break. I think government

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Ron Nate way too much money. Yep.

Bob Neugebauer Yep. I agree with you. Thank you.

Ron Nate Thanks. Hey, do you want to do an econ one hundred and one lesson today?

Bob Neugebauer Sure. Why not? I

Ron Nate Okay.

Bob Neugebauer always need reeducation program.

Ron Nate Awesome. Moving into chapter seven, chapter seven of Ron’s Econ one hundred and one. Um, today I want to talk about businesses. Up to this point, we’ve talked about kind of general economics. We talked about how consumers make decisions. But let’s talk about how businesses develop and make their decisions too. And so, um, let me ask you this. Why does somebody go into business? Why does a business exist? What is the prime directive of any business? What are they trying to accomplish?

Bob Neugebauer It’s always a profit motive.

Ron Nate Absolutely. That’s why I want to talk about today. It’s the profit motive. Businesses go into business to earn a profit. And so I just want to break that down a little bit. I’m not going to go into my full blown lecture on this, but I just want to break it down a little bit to maybe retrain some thinking out there in how to think about the profit motive and how businesses make decisions. Now, profit is a word that is thrown around a lot, but if we don’t define it well, we could reach a lot of weird and funky conclusions. Profit, simply stated in an accounting sense, is the difference between the revenues generated by selling goods and services and the costs involved in producing and selling those goods and services. So revenues minus costs equals accounting profit. Well, in economics absolutely. Let’s do this little thought experiment. Hey Bob, let’s say that you got a semi-retirement job. You are a greeter at Walmart.

Bob Neugebauer Welcome to the Walmart. It’s so nice to see you here today.

Ron Nate Alright. And you’re getting paid forty thousand dollars a year for that work at Walmart. So congratulations, you’re working forty thousand dollars a year. It’s about twenty bucks an hour. Nice job Bob. Um, but you’re like, you know what? My community has zero bagel shops. You’re thinking about starting a bagel shop. Should you start that bagel shop?

Bob Neugebauer I’d probably eat my own profits.

Ron Nate Interesting that one of the first thing that pops into your heads is had is profit. So let’s say that, uh, you estimate that you’ll generate, oh, uh, one hundred and forty thousand dollars worth of revenue from selling bagels. Should you quit your job at Walmart and start the bagel shop?

Bob Neugebauer Well, it sounds good to me.

Ron Nate Well, what are your costs? You have to buy flour. You have to buy milk, eggs, whatever goes into a bagel, you have to buy the bagel nine zero zero zero machine. You have to buy a bagel store or at least rent it. Uh, you might have to rent some equipment. You might have to hire some workers. You hire a couple high school workers and pay them, I don’t know, thirty eight thousand dollars a year for two of them. Uh, we call them interns. Okay. And, and you can do all that stuff. And so you figure out that after all your costs and everything are assessed, that one hundred and forty thousand dollars turns into forty eight thousand dollars left on the bottom line, should you quit your job and start the business?

Bob Neugebauer Let’s do it.

Ron Nate Yeah. Because why?

Bob Neugebauer Because I’m going to make some real money instead of working for Walmart.

Ron Nate Yeah. At Walmart, you earn forty thousand dollars running your bagel shop. You’re left with forty eight thousand dollars. So do you see your decision isn’t just the forty eight thousand dollars, it’s the forty eight compared to what else you could be doing.

Bob Neugebauer And they can’t fire me.

Ron Nate Yeah, but the boss is a real jerk now. Okay. And, um, that’s what self-employment is. When you’re self-employed, you always have a jerk for a boss, don’t you?

Bob Neugebauer I’ve had five businesses, so believe me, I know a lot more than you think I know.

Ron Nate Okay. But, um. And this is the way economists view the world. We don’t just look at, oh, you would generate forty eight thousand dollars of profit. It’s you would generate forty eight thousand dollars of profit compared to your next best alternative, which is staying at Walmart, which was forty thousand dollars. So economists look at that as really an eight thousand dollars net profit. In fact, we have a word for it. We call economic profit. After you subtract off all the real costs and the implied costs of what you give up to run the business. That’s how business people make decisions is on economic profit. They look at explicit costs and these implicit costs of things you give up in order to run the business.

Bob Neugebauer Well, I’m. Whether I could get a bagel shop running up here in New Meadows. But, um, I certainly would like to have one because that’s my favorite breakfast.

Ron Nate Well, that you know what? There might be a lot of jobs in your community. And so you’re going, you know what, starting this bagel business, if I generate forty eight thousand dollars of revenue and give up my forty thousand dollars a year job, I’m eight thousand dollars ahead and I’m my own boss. There’s reasons to do that. But notice how tenuous this decision making is because you’re comparing this always with your next best forgone alternative changes to that foregone alternative matter a lot. If Walmart were to give raises, it makes your decision a lot narrower. If the government raised taxes, then maybe the cost of running the business and paying taxes makes that expected revenue minus costs be a lot less. And you say, you know what, I’m better off staying at Walmart. And so there are a lot of policy decisions. And again, remember I talked about marginal decision making on the margin that makes that bagel shop either profitable or not profitable in an economic sense. Every time government changes a policy, they’re changing that calculus.

Bob Neugebauer Well, let’s take it down to the real nitty gritty. If you’re going to have expansion of population and you’re going to put a bagel shop in, you’re expecting to have some kind of growth. But before you get that growth, you have to have government permit the growth that you want to see take place. So what

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Ron Nate That is exactly right. And this is why Idaho Freedom Foundation supports the idea of free markets. It’s an Austrian economics view that every time government takes over the production of something or reallocates resources away from the productive sector through taxes. It changes the incentives involved and it reallocates real resources like labor, raw materials, capital, uh, that can be used to build and grow businesses. All these things get reallocated every time. Government does more and requires something from the private sector. And that’s why Idaho Freedom Foundation has important work to do. We would like the resources kept in the market’s hands because the market is a much better allocator, a much more efficient user of resources than government is, which is inherently wasteful, fraudulent, and abusive.

Bob Neugebauer I understand everything you’re talking about, but I venture to say that many of the people who have businesses up here in a place like New Meadows really don’t get all of that, because we only have three or four businesses here that are actually thriving.

Ron Nate Yeah, and they’re thriving. Isn’t that great? If government raised taxes or changed its zoning principles or minimum wage policies, all that could change. You might have three businesses or two businesses. If government got a lot smaller and a lot less regulatory and a lot less taxing, uh, it might make businesses might make other businesses which are otherwise, uh, not profitable, become profitable. Bob’s bagel shop might actually become a thing in that situation. And you know what? You would be an entrepreneur. You would be a boss, you’d be a profit generator, you would be vilified by the left.

Bob Neugebauer Well, I’m always vilified by the left anyway. My left hand never knows what my right hand is doing, you know that.

Ron Nate Yeah. That’s right. And this is because the left prefers collective decision making set of individual decision making. They would rather see money and production go through government rather than through private businesses. And here’s here’s the catch here. The world is better off when when entrepreneur Bob makes a dollar, not worse, off. The left somehow views corporations and businesses earning profits as a bad thing, but it’s not. Elon Musk runs several businesses. The world is better off when Elon makes a billion dollars, not worse off, because to make that billion dollars, he had to make a lot of customers happy. He had to do a lot of good things that customers liked. And he also had to employ a lot of people who earned money with that, who bought cars, who sent their kids to college, who bought homes. And those were all good things for an economy, not bad things. The world is better off when the entrepreneur and the profiteer makes profit.

Bob Neugebauer I don’t disagree, but everything that’s growing has a price. Growth always has a price. And for someone like myself, who sits on a planning and zoning commission here, we always look at the value of a new business, how it fits into the community, and whether it’s something that’s viable and necessary for the continued growth of a community. Unfortunately,

Ron Nate Yeah.

Bob Neugebauer unfortunately, most NCSs don’t look that way.

Ron Nate I know. And so here’s, here’s my advice to, to planners, politicians, future business people. Let’s stop looking at it as I understand what you’re saying when when you say businesses and business growth has a price. But I would like to look at it this way. You know, uh, the left views Elon Musk as taking a larger slice of the pie. And so you’ll hear them say, well, if he just gives some of it back, or if we took some of those billions, uh, we could, we could do a lot of good with it. Well, you know what? In order to produce those those billions, he created a lot of things. He didn’t take a bigger slice of the pie. He made the pie bigger for a lot of people, made the pie bigger overall. And so his slice, whatever it is, might not be a bigger slice at all. It just might be the fact that he grew the pie so much that his normal slice is now making him a lot of profit and a lot of people a lot of profit. So it comes at a price, but it also comes at a benefit. It is the producers, the entrepreneurs, the corporations, the workers of those corporations that are increasing the prosperity and the economic pie all the time.

Bob Neugebauer Ergo, why you don’t want to listen to all of the new, uh, legislators that want to become socialist and take all that money from the billionaires because it wouldn’t matter if they took all their money, they still wouldn’t fix things.

Ron Nate That’s right. If they took all the entrepreneurs and the profiteers money, so to speak, or just took half of it, they haven’t improved the world a bit. Uh, what they’ve done is they’ve hurt the world because now the producers produce less. There’s less of a pie to distribute. And no matter how they distribute it there, the world is going to be worse off, not better off.

Bob Neugebauer Well, what they’re doing is borrowing from Peter, the guy who’s actually making money and giving it to Paul, the guy who likes to spend money and not work.

Ron Nate Absolutely. And there’s so many allegories on this. There’s so many metaphors on, you know, what? You you kill the goose that laid the golden egg. Right. I mean, that’s what you do with entrepreneurs and corporations when you want to tax them to death. Anyway,

Bob Neugebauer Are.

Ron Nate that’s my little econ one hundred and one lesson today. Profit is good. It’s not bad. Profit benefits lives. It does not hurt lives. Uh, and therefore, we should encourage private enterprise corporation growth, business growth without getting in bed with the government.

Bob Neugebauer Amen, brother.

Ron Nate Thank you.

Bob Neugebauer Thank you, my friend, and thank you for coming on again. Uh, by the way, do you know where that goose is? The one that lays those golden eggs.

Ron Nate Uh, I don’t know. Was it on Willy Wonka? I don’t know. Uh, no, I don’t. Wouldn’t it be nice to find that thing? Actually, that goose exists. You know, we we view it as a mythical figure. But that goose is the entrepreneur entrepreneurial spirit of America. Every time you create a new business that does something good that people wanted, that didn’t exist before, you’ve created a goose.

Bob Neugebauer I well know that I created one of those geese.

Ron Nate There you go. Great. The world needs more of them. Congratulations.

Bob Neugebauer Thank you, Ron, and, uh, we’ll see you next week, I presume.

Ron Nate Excellent. Looking forward to it. Thank you Bob. Thank you. Mike. Appreciate

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Bob Neugebauer Have a good day, my friend.

Ron Nate Thanks. You too.